Pre-Game Talk: 2018 Draft Thread | Don't fret - if we screw up, we gift Chicago a good player, NBD

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Who do the Canucks choose: Dobson or Boqvist?

  1. Dobson

    54.4%
  2. Boqvist

    45.6%
  1. lindgren

    lindgren Registered User

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    Here's two questions for everyone (sincere ones, not rhetorical).

    Imagine it's four or five years from now. You're coaching a team in the playoffs. It's the third period of a game in which you have a one goal lead. You've got a defensive zone face-off, which you think you're likely to lose because you've been getting murdered in the dot all game long.

    Question 1) You can put out one of Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, or Hughes. Who would you choose?

    Question 2) How important is your answer in the thought experiment of question one when deciding now who of those four defencmen would be a better pick?
     
  2. Icebreakers

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    Hes the second best/impactful dman on the team, arguably number one. I dont care about his TOI to judge his impact to the team.
     
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    Interesting question.

    Question 1: I take Dobson - Hughes - Bouchard - Boqvist in that order.

    Question 2: My overall order or preference is Hughes - Bouchard - Boqvist - Dobson

    So I guess it doesn't really play that big of a role for me personally. It's easier to find an good defensive defenseman who can play in that situation than it is to find a good offensive situation who could play in the opposite situation (offensive zone draw when trailing by a goal). That type of situation is where Dobson's value will likely shine though.
     
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    You aren't a top pairing defender if you get #4 minutes at ES, never step on the ice on the PK, and still bleed goals from soft 2nd pairing minutes with 65% zone starts.

    He's a high-event 2nd pairing defender who gets 30 points on the PP. And is well behind Chara and McAvoy in their pecking order.
     
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    Maybe he's not top pairing but he's probably second highest impact dman. For what whatever that's worth.
     
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    Chara and McAvoy are better than Krug in every area and situation except for QBing the PP.

    You aren't a top pairing defender just because you score 30 points on the PP (in a role on the point that forwards often play) to push you to 50 points on the season. That isn't how it works.
     
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    Okay top 4 dmen then.
     
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    No argument there.
     
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    What's your final list MS?
     
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    Is there any buzz around who the Canucks covet ?

    Seems kinda quiet this year in terms of leaks and rumors.

    I remember last year everyone and their dog knew the Canucks loved Makar. It was alsp revealed that Pettersson was invited to Vancouver and went out for dinner with the brass 1 week before the draft.
     
  11. lindgren

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    I'm hoping that the reason it's quiet is that the Canucks want to keep things under wraps in order to give them a better shot at moving down. It's the stupidly optimistic side of me at work.
     
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    Canucks probably have a list of 4 names they are content with at 7 with Dahlin, Svech, and Zadina all being locks to be gone. Last year the canucks were picking 5th and Jimbo said the day before the draft that they had 3 players they were considering(which ended up being Makar, Pettersson, and Glass).

    Only way to know for sure is to wait 5-10 minutes before the canucks pick and look to see who Jimbo is pointing at in the stands.
     
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    Mark Edwards confirmed with Central Scouting that his last measurement was “verified” at 5’9.75”.

    For those with the BB, the * means the measurements were verified. The ones without were not.
     
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    Since 2014, our drafting has been vastly improved. It was our drafting between 2005-2013 that was absolutely abysmal.
     
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    Wahlstrom would be nice. I keep thinking about how our future lineup would look if we drafted him and both him and Boeser became top snipers in the NHL....

    Energy/Puck retrieval type player - Pettersson - Boeser

    Playmaking LW - Horvat - Wahlstrom

    That has the opportunity to be one of the deadliest top sixes in the league if these players pan out, just playstyle wise. Some very good lines here. 1A 1B potential.
     
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    To quote a poster on the prospects forum, drafting Wahlstrom would be like "adding Brock Boeser to a team that already has Brock Boeser" and that thought always gives me a chuckle
     
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    Askel By the way Benning should be fired.

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    Dont you remember extra draft picks makes it harder to concentrate on the one you got. Its better to have fewer picks and the really focus on those so you don´t draft busts.






    (This was a real argument from one of the Benning supporters BTW)
     
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    Askel By the way Benning should be fired.

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    Spurgeon, Ellis and Gostisbere are at Hughes size though. I like Hughes skating and confidence he would be a strong pick at seven.
     
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    Traditionally the ‘Hawks haven’t done great when drafting after us... at least when they took Beach they didn’t.
     
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    Brown: A video breakdown of Quinn Hughes and his...

    I'm sold on Hughes. It would be one thing if he was lighting up the WHL with a small stature (like Heponiemi). But he's shifty, a wicked skater, and has offensive skills through the roof. If he's there at 7 (and he really might not be), we'd be making a huge mistake not taking him.
     
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    Bolded sounds like someone we could have had... and instead we have a guy with a broken back. Thanks a lot Beninng.... While Wahlstrom would be a nice piece, I still lean to Dobson or Bourchard first. If it's between him Tkachuk and Hughes then I'm not sure which way I'd go.
     
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    Worst case IMO:

    Montreal - Dobson
    Ottawa - Bouchard
    Arizona - Zadina
    Detroit - Hughes

    Is Wahlstrom the consensus in that scenario? Or Boqvist?
     
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    I’d take Wahlstrom or Kotkaniemi, but the Canucks would probably take Boqvist.
     
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    This is also my realistic worst case scenario except swap Boqvist and Hughes (I've made it clear I hope we don't draft him). I would be happy taking Ty Smith as I love his game but I highly doubt he'd be on the Canucks radar at that point. It would suck not coming out of this draft with a D that we desperately need, but there's no question Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, or Kotkaniemi would end up being major core pieces if that's how it ends up playing out.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughtful response.

    Although it's not a big issue for you, it seems it's even less of an issue for everyone else. That side of these players simply doesn't come up. (I've asked the same question, in different forms, a couple of times. Yours is the first reply.)

    I wonder whether a draft-eligible d-man's play in his own zone when the other team has possession is also trivial for management groups around the league. Curious, if so, at least to me. But maybe there's a good explanation for it, as in according to the advanced stats, it simply doesn't matter. I'd find that rather counterintuitive, but who knows?
     

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