Devils 2017-18 team discussion (player news and notes) VIII - Postseason Edition

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  1. Zezel22

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    lol apparently not! The main attribute that has been given to Greene here for years has been his leadership abilities and his role in developing young defensemen. Take a look at the young defensemen who have come and gone here in his tenure and tell me who has been developed that you woudl say - hey - that Greene is really invaluable in that role!

    Also the 2 years prior to this were two of the most gutless, no-show Devils teams I have ever seen, and he captained both. In the years he took over as captain from Salvador how have you felt about the play of this team.

    Many people call Mark Messier and Scott Stevens great leaders, great captains? What gives them the right to do that? Those peopel are not in the locker rooms either. So you can make a judgement based on what you see if its rosy, but not if it stinks? Ok.
     
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    the roster has been absolutely horrendous. Go look at the rosters of the teams from 2 and 3 years ago and tell me how you expected those teams to be good teams.
     
  3. Zezel22

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    The anchor contract I am advocating for comes with value attached, ,as you know. If you tell me that Erik Karlsson will come to the Devils only if we extend Greene 2 additional years at $5m to be 7th DMan and emotional leader, I will sign right now. It will be using cap space for good. Right now Greenes contract is a waste of cap space and negative value because hes no good and does not come with Erik Karlsson.
     
  4. Zezel22

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    I didn't but I expected them to play hard and compete every night. Did you see that?
     
  5. OmNomNom

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    just throw greene on the 2nd pairing where he belongs, and no one will complain
     
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    Everyone knows the best captain in the modern day NHL is Ryan Callahan. He oozes leadership. It’s a shame that he doesn’t wear that C in Tampa. They really wronged him upon arrival by not giving it to him.
     
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    heh
     
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    Shattenkirk is garbage and I never talked about Butcher, so I don't know what your point is.

    My point is that you were wayyyyyyy off with Shattenkirk and you were defending your point as if we were talking about adding a 1st pairing dman, which he isn't. Having different opinions is the entire point of a message board and sometimes you'll come up with great ideas and sometimes you'll come up with brain dead ideas and that goes for me as well and everyone else on HF.

    I never suggested or implied that we should sign or trade for Ryan Reaves. I said we needed someone with balls who could step up and face the music if need be. There's a difference between using someone as a example and wanting to add the player used in that same example.
     
  9. Zajacs Bowl Cut

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    Shattenkirk is not garbage, but sure whatever you say
     
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    just 2 more weeks or so till free agent frenzy, and we can all talk about actual moves again
     
  11. Taylor Hall

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    I don't know what games you were watching but for the first couple of games, we took it to Tampa but came up short and when Tampa decided to throw their weight around and "disrespect" the Devils, the momentum went Tampa's way and that's what sealed our faith.

    I'm not saying that having a tough guy would've guaranteed us a spot in SC finals, I'm just saying that the level of push back we saw from our current group after the Hedman and the Kucherov incident was alarming. How can you let Hedman spear Nico in the nuts without someone doing anything about it is nothing short of a joke.

    The last thing I want is to be the team that get's picked on cause we're too soft because we're dressing guys like Stafford on our 4th line.
     
  12. devilsblood

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    Not that much. 10% of his minutes or there about. And even that is trying to get Mueller into the lineup.

    I don't think I'm stretching by saying the Devils like their D-men on their strong side.
     
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    Tampa was the much better team. Tampa won the series. The end.

    I don't wanna hear about how they won because they were grittier. They won because they were and are a better team and we had a team full of playoff newbies.
     
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  14. Taylor Hall

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    Shattenkirk is a PP specialist who's mediocre in his own zone... that's not what I call a "good player". He's a middle pairing dman, nothing more and the contract you were willing to give him would've been a massive mistake if it actually went down.

    If he was that special, do you honestly think that the Blues would've moved him at the deadline when they were in a playoff spot at the time of the trade?
     
  15. SpeakingOfTheDevils

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    All of the "young defenseman" here during Greene's stint as captain have sucked eggs... and so did the rest of the roster. That isn't Greene's problem.
     
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    by all accounts, Shero offered him more than what the Rangers did. I guess you think Shero made a mistake then? I never claimed him to be some top pairing stud DMan, but he was certainly a player we could have used. I am not sure why we are talking about a player that is not on the team, though. He made his choice and he didn't want to be here...who cares and lets move on.
     
  17. Taylor Hall

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    That's analyzing a series for you. They won because they had the best players, the end!

    Again, we took it to them for the first two games but couldn't capitalize on our chances, not because they outplayed us. The series took a turn in Tampa's favor when they saw we were taking shots on the chin without pushing back.

    Yes, they do have better players but there's several variables in pro sports that leads to wins and loses in a best of 7 series, not just names on paper.
     
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    Advantages of Ryan albatross over Lucic albatross include:
    1. you're definitely getting Erik Karlsson one the ten best players in the sport.
    2 Ryan can play right wing (harder to find).
    3. Ottawa would likely retain some salary to make it work as they're probably going to need a lot of help to hit the cap floor this season or next season at the latest given all the pieces they are going to lose very soon (Karlsson and Hoffman definitely, Duchene likely which comes to about $20 million in salary that is likely being offloaded mostly for prospects).
    4. If you believe the rumors about Ryan's hands, there's a decent shot he ends up on LTIR sooner rather than later. Lucic might stink, but he's healthy.
     
  19. devilsblood

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    A)I don't think anyone saw it initially. Zacha is right there but turns away just before it happens.

    B)There was a major scrum at the end of that game.
     
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    the same people who are mad that we weren't "gritty enough" would have been the same ones complaining about if our guys had taken retaliation penalties or gooned it up and given Tampa more PP opportunities.

    I am not sure if you noticed but there were some pretty large scrums throughout that series. Including at the end of game 3.

    Tampa won because they are a much better team and their forecheck overwhelmed our weak D corps. The end.
     
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    There are no "rumors" about Ryan's hands. The injuries are very real, and there are a lot of them.
     
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    Absolutely, we dodged a bullet with Shattenkirk and couldn't be happier that he's with the Rangers.

    My point was that you act like you're right 200% of the time when in reality you're not and when other posters have their own opinions, and it doesn't match yours, you act like it's the dumbest idea ever.

    If you tried to understand the points brought up by some instead of being in full defensive mode, this place wouldn't be as depressing.
     
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    Well, when the ideas are the dumbest ever, they'll be called out accordingly.

    Also, the Rangers just hired Shattenkirk's college coach. Both guys speak very highly of each other. I wouldn't be so quick to write off Shattenkirk due to recency bias.
     
  24. Zezel22

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    I don't really disagree with you. But I also disagreed strongly with the people saying years ago that Greene had immeasureable value because without him the young defensemen would not develop to their full potential as well. So, now we got him, at $5m per, and the young defensemen stink.
     
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    Do you want a cookie or something?

    One of my biggest pet peeves with this board is people bringing up opinions from years past in order to prove they were right. No one cares. Grow up.
     
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