News Article: How Noah Hanifin to Vancouver deal could benefit both sides.

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  1. CanaFan

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    But do they risk damaging their professional reputation and livelihood in order to do so?

    Do we have confirmation that this has happened?
     
  2. racerjoe

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    Well this report was Friedmen, so lets start there...
     
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    So Damien Cox’s distaste of this market is a surprise to you. The Vancouver Canucks and it’s fans are not well liked by the rest of Canada. This is nothing new.

    Canafan before you set off on one of your rolls with me I may not have the time to do so to the capacity you desire. So like y2k, do not get angry over my lack of “rebuttals” (y2k’s favourite word)
     
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    I won't argue if we are a liked fan base, I will say I think most get hated. The Leafs are definitely hated fan base as is Montreal.

    Cox is also not very good at most parts of his job. Not sure why he is the subject here as the rumour as I know it has been reported by Freidmen and McKenzie.
     
  5. CanaFan

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    I have absolutely no idea how he or any of the other Eastern media feels about the Vancouver Canucks or, by extension, their fanbase. I suspect it isn’t nearly as dire as you or others in this fanbase make it out to be. As you say, some of our fanbase can be overly-dramatic and suffer imaginary victim complexes. It appears you fall into that category yourself.

    But even if so, the real questions are as follows:

    A) Does Elliotte Friedman? He’s the one we are talking about, not Damien Cox, etc.

    B) Would Friedman risk diluting his sterling reputation as an NHL insider just to “troll a fanbase”?

    C) Why have the Canucks not refuted this speculation if it is in fact baseless? They did so when Friedman speculated that Canucks ownership was meddling in management so I expect they would do the same if this were completely unfounded.


    Take your time Chef, I’m in no rush to get your answers. But when you do (if you do), please try to stay focussed on these specific items. I know you like to make random leaps to different topics but I’d really like to follow this one through.
     
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    The hockey media is eastern based. Most are from Toronto. Toronto people don’t get Vancouver people and vice versa, we are like oil and water but when most of these Media members and production companies are from Ontario, the reporting of what goes on here by the eastern based media will and should always be questioned on its legitimacy and manipulation.
     
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    So are Friedmen and Mckenzie known to troll Fan bases? Is their reputation to put out false narratives?
     
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    When the level of legitimacy and accuracy of a rumour are not known as most of them are never known, combined with the frenzied reactions to said rumours by a known sensitive fan base in which media scribes who spread these rumours know full would react sensitively too, trolling is a unique way of putting it, yes

    “The media thinks they know but they don’t” - Mike Babcock
     
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    Can you give other examples where they have then?
     
  10. CanaFan

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    It’s not only a unique way, but also an incorrect way.

    “Chef doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - Mike Babcock
     
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    I'm pretty sure the "Gillis Bro's" wouldn't ever mention Gillis if it wasn't for all the Benning Bro's blaming everything on Gillis and refusing to lay any blame on this team's current standing on Benning.
     
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    I’m not so sure I agree about Friedman rep being sterling... anymore. He does seem to throw **** on the wall for click bate.
     
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    A lot of his quotes posted come down to interpretation and people have a tendency to take his words as meaning it's 100% happening. He and McKenzie especially have a tendency to be misinterpreted by people in my opinion. When they say something they've either heard it via a source they trust or make it clear they're speculating.

    I don't expect them to get everything 100% right in terms of "That trade is going to happen because of how difficult the trade market can be to get through for teams, but some people seem to think the opposite and take it as fact.


    If we're talking about the Hanifin rumor specifically I think he heard a rumor about the Canucks interest and then it became bigger/rose to the surface more than he thought it would. Seravelli and McKenzie have chimed in on it as well.
     
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    How do you know this? If he reports a rumour that doesn’t come true, does that mean it was never actually a rumour and “just click bait”? Or is that the nature of rumours? That less than 100% come true?
     
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    Yep. I even stated it in an earlier post if it wasn't deleted. This is stuff they have heard GM's or teams talk about. It doesn't mean it will happen.
     
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    I agree
    He is worse than any of the trade center guys now
     
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    Sure, I get that and agree insiders won’t be right all the time... but years ago he just didn’t share what seems like click bait, maybe he filtered out what he shared better back in the day.
     
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    Speaking for myself I have mentioned that Elmer, Eye Bags and the Cheeseburgular all share some blame for the disaster this team is today. Nonis obviously less than the other two but garbage drafting from 05-13 is a huge reason this team is a tire fire it is today. Nonis and Gillis produced one good hockey player in nine drafts. Benning has compounded the mess with a handful of horrible trades and a couple of terrible signings.

    Hargraves isn’t a bro- they don’t live in reality. He isn’t a basher- they seem like they hate life in general.
     
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    Then again... Nonis + Burke primed the team for the 2011 cup run.
     
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    He has become the newest member of the Troll Squad if you ask me.
     
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    I'll be a "bro" if you are successful and I'll be a "basher" if you suck. This is a results based industry and thus far the results aren't there.
     
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    The one thing Benning has going for him strong is that he drafts like a mother****er. So yes - while he did admittedly make some rookie mistakes (Eriksson signing + allowing the coaches to use him in the incorrect way), I think the past few years has shown the Benning has learned from his mistakes.

    As of this writing, Benning is one of the best GM’s in the league. As is the case with most people who accept a new role, there were some growing pains involved (Forsling trade, Eriksson signing, attempted trading of 1st for Lucic in 2015), but Benning has definitely learned from his mistakes. Everything else though has been great. The fact that this guy absolutely owns it comes draft time put him well ahead of the curve.

    Gillis, in his years here, didn’t make even one god damn good pick. His only good pick was Horvat, and he had to trade a star goalie in Schneider in order to get it done. On top of that, Gillis handicapped this team big time by dishing out NTC’s and NMC’s like it was candy.
     
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  23. Doyle Hargraves

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    That’s a fair point. Hargraves thinks Canucker doesn’t seem as angry and bitter as the majority of the bashers though.
     
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    At the time of that "rookie mistake" he was already on the job for more than 2 years. When he allowed the coach to use him "in the incorrect way" he was in his third year.

    Its also a rookie mistake that cost $36m.

    You say he his is one of the best yet you list only his mistake and then generalize that most what he did was "great". Can you name one great thing besides some good/great picks?


    If he didnt make a good pick but then Horvat was a good pick....hmmm, if you think hard about this, you might find the mistake...
     
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    I agree. It likely happened like this.
    Carolina floats that Hanifin is available
    30 GMs phone to inquire, including JB
    Carolina says publicly they want a first and a prospect.
    Insiders connect dots.
    At no time does JB agree to any trade involving his top pick.
    It’s a rumour.
     

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