Jim Benning Era Transaction Summary

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    Trades:

    -2014-15-----------

    Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
    Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
    2nd --- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
    Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
    Acton --- Lain
    Pedan --- Mallet, '16 3rd (came back to us)
    Clendening --- Forsling
    Conacher --- Jeffrey
    Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)

    -2015-16-----------

    3rd (66th - Brisebois) and (#194 McKenzie) --- Lack
    7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
    Prust --- Kassian, (#124 Staum)
    '16 2nd --- Bieksa
    Sutter, (#64 Lockwood) --- Bonino, Clendening, (#55 Gustavsson)
    Etem --- Jensen, '17 6th
    Granlund --- Shinkaruk
    Larsen --- '17 5th
    Futures --- Fox

    -2016-17----------

    Gudbranson, (#140 Candella) --- McCann, (#33 Asplund), (#94 Ang)
    Dahlen --- Burrows
    Goldobin, '17 4th* --- Hansen


    -2017-18-----------

    5th (#135-Gunnarsson) and 6th (#181-Palmu) -- 4th (#112 Soderlund)
    Pouliot -- Pedan, '18 4th
    Dowd -- Subban
    Motte, Jokinen -- Vanek
    Lepsic -- Holm

    -2018-1019---------


    Signings:

    -2014-15----------

    AHL - Biega, Jeffrey, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, Andersson, Archibald, Cannata, Freisen, Zalewski
    ELC - McCann, Virtanen, Subban, Stewart
    Miller -- 3 yrs, $6 mil per
    Vrbata -- 2 yrs, $5 mil per
    Kassian -- 2 yr, $1.75 per
    Weber -- 1yr, $850K
    Tanev -- 1yr, $2mil
    Tanev -- 5yr, $4.45 mil per
    Vey -- 1yr, $735K
    Dorsett -- 4yr, $2.65 mil per
    Sbisa -- 3 yr, $3.6 per
    Kenins -- 1yr, $600K
    Sautner -- 3 yr, $678K (ELC)
    Hutton -- 2 yr, $900K (ELC)

    -2015-16--------------

    AHL - Fedun 1yr, $600K, Bachman 2yrs, $575K per, Jones 1yr, $600K, Grenier, 1yr, Witt
    Baerstchi -- 1yr, $900K
    Vey -- 1yr, $1 mil
    Bartkowski -- 1yr, $1.75 mil
    Weber -- 1yr, $1.5 mil
    Markstrom -- 2yrs, $1.55 per
    Cracknell -- 1 yr, $575K
    Corrado -- 1yr $600K
    Clendening -- 1yr $760K
    Sutter -- 5 yrs, $4.375 per
    Brisebois -- 3yr $734K (ELC)
    Zalewski -- 3 gm, $575K
    Biega -- 2 yrs, $750 per
    Tryamkin -- 2 yr, $925K (ELC)

    -2016-17----------------

    AHL -- Demko -- 3 yr, $925K (ELC), Garteig -- 1 yr, $925K (ELC), Laplante -- 3 yr, $837K (ELC), Nilsson -- 1 yr, $575K (2-way), Chaput, Billens, Rendulic, Carcone 3yr, (ELC), Zalewski -- 1yr, 633K (2-way), Bachman -- 1 yr, $650K (2-way), Grenier -- 1yr, $600K (2-way)
    Stecher -- 2 yr, $925K (ELC)
    Rodin -- 1 yr, $950K
    Granlund -- 2 yr, $900K
    Baertschi -- 2 yr, $1.85 per
    Etem -- 1 yr, $775K
    Eriksson -- 6 yr, $6 mil per
    Larsen -- 1 yr, $1.025 mil
    Markstrom -- 3 yr, $3.667 mil per
    Pedan -- 1yr, $700K (2-way)
    Skille -- 1yr, $700k
    Hutton -- 2yr, $2.8 mil per
    MacEwen -- 3yr, $848K (ELC)
    Shore -- 1yr, $600K
    Chatfield -- 3yr, $765K (ELC)
    Molino -- (ELC)
    Megna -- 1 yr, $675K

    -2017-18-----------

    Pedan -- 1 yr, $750K (2-way)
    Holm -- 1 yr, $925K (ELC)
    Gudbranson -- 1 yr, $3.5 mil
    Rodin -- 1 yr, $700K
    Gagner -- 3 yrs, $3.15 mil per
    Del Zotto -- 2 yrs, $3 mil per
    Wiercioch -- 1 yr, $650K
    Burmistrov -- 1 yr, $900K
    Nilsson -- 2 yrs, $2.5 mil per
    Vanek -- 1 yr, $2 mil
    Horvat -- 6 yrs, $5.5 mil per
    Gadjovich -- 3 yrs, $845K (ELC)
    Archibald -- 1 yr, $650K
    Gudbranson -- 3 yrs, $4 mil per
    Biega -- 2 yr, $825K
    Lind -- 3 yr, $892K (ELC)
    Sautner -- 2 yr, $675K
    Gaudette -- 3 yr, $917K (ELC)


    -2018-19-----------
    Pettersson -- 3 yr, $925K (ELC)
    Palmu -- 3 yr, $826K (ELC)
    DiPietro -- 3 yr, $826K (ELC)
    Boucher -- 1 yr, $???K (2-way)

    Draft Class:

    2014: Virtanen, McCann, Demko, Tryamkin, Forsling, Pettit, Stewart
    2015: Boeser, Brisebois, Zhukenov, Neill, Gaudette, Jasek, Olson
    2016: Juolevi, Lockwood, Candella, Stukel, Abols, McKenzie
    2017: Pettersson, Lind, Gadjovich, DiPietro, Rathbone, Gunnarsson, Palmu, Brassard
    2018: 1, 2, 3, , 5, 6, 7
    2019: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7


    14-15 turnover:

    OUT:
    Garrison, Kesler, Santorelli, Booth, Sestito, Dalpe, Schroeder, Welsh, Lain, Pelletier, Sauve, Ferriero, Mallet, Forsling
    IN:
    Vrbata, Miller, Bonino, Vey, Dorsett, Sbisa, McMillan, Baertschi, Sanguinetti, Pedan, Clendening, Conacher, Acton, Hamilton


    15-16 turnover:

    OUT:
    Bieksa, Lack, Matthias, Richardson, Kassian, Bonino, Stanton, Clendening, Eriksson, Conacher, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, McNally, McMillan, Defazio, Jensen, Corrado, Shinkaruk, Cracknell, Fox
    IN:
    Bartkowski, Prust, Sutter, Fedun, Bachman, Jones, Cracknell, Witt, Etem, Granlund, Larsen


    16-17 Turnover:

    OUT:
    McCann, Higgins, Hamhuis, Kenins, Cannata, Weber, Vrbata, Vey, Blomstrand, Freisen, Fedun, Etem, Burrows, Hansen
    IN:
    Rodin, Stecher, Laplante, Gudbranson, Nilsson, Eriksson, Chaput, Billens, Rendulic, Carcone, Skille, Boucher, Dahlen, Goldobin, Cramarosa, MacEwen, Shore, Molino


    17-18 Turnover:

    OUT: Holm, Vanek, Subban, Rodin, Burmistrov, Pedan, Shore, T.Nilsson, Larsen, Miller, Grenier, Billins, Tryamkin (still own for 5 yrs)
    Expansion draft loss:
    Sbisa

    IN: Pouliot, Holm, Gagner, Del Zotto, Wiercioch, Nilsson, Burmistrov, Vanek, Dowd, Lepsic, Jokinen, Motte


    18-19 Turnover:

    OUT:
    Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin, Jokinen,

    IN:




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    Let me know if I'm missing any transactions or bodies....
     
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    First, thanks to DL44 for summarizing all the Benning era transactions.

    I appreciate many posters are unhappy with most Benning trades but I think the criticism a little unfair. He has done an ok job on trades IMO (I wouldn't say the same thing about signings).

    I've placed my ranking (1-5) below based on the following:

    1 - terrible trade
    2 - not good
    3 - no strong opinion
    4 - good trade
    5 - great trade

    Note that I have done the rankings with the benefit of hindsight. So, for example, the Clendenning/Forsling trade I would probably have given a 3 at the outset. But It's currently listed as a 1 based on how it has all played out. Baertschi for a 2nd is the opposite: I would have given it a 3, but now it's listed as a 4.

    -2014-15-----------
    2 Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
    Note: on the face it's a 1. But Benning can't be entirely blamed given Kelser's demands and restrictions.
    3 Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
    3 2nd --- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
    1 Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
    3 Acton --- Lain
    4 Pedan --- Mallet, '16 3rd (came back to us)
    1 Clendening --- Forsling
    3 Conacher --- Jeffrey
    4 Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)

    -2015-16-----------
    4 3rd (66th - Brisebois) and (#194 McKenzie) --- Lack
    3 7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
    1 Prust --- Kassian, (#124 Staum)
    4 '16 2nd --- Bieksa
    2 Sutter, (#64 Lockwood) --- Bonino, Clendening, (#55 Gustavsson)
    3 Etem --- Jensen, '17 6th
    4 Granlund --- Shinkaruk
    2 Larsen --- '17 5th
    3 Futures --- Fox

    -2016-17----------

    4 Gudbranson, (#140 Candella) --- McCann, (#33 Asplund), (#94 Ang)
    5 Dahlen --- Burrows
    4 Goldobin, '17 4th* --- Hansen
     
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    The problem is looking at some of these trades in a vacuum colors them sometimes more positive then they are.

    The Kesler trade, I know you only had it as a 2, but part of what made it a bad trade was who and what we targeted. Bonino was an expensive asset, that we could have replaced in other ways, and we actually put value on Sbisa. it was just bad.

    Or the lack trade. Take out where Lack is now. He still got half of what the next closest comparable got.

    That makes them terrible trades.
     
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    Modified the definition of #3.
    I will try limit the evaluation to the individual transaction.

    4/5 - Dahlen --- Burrows - 5 only cuz Dahlen hasn't played in a Canuck jersey. So YET to fail... yet.
    4 - 3rd (66th - Brisebois) and (#194 McKenzie) --- Lack - liked it at the time - love it if Brisebois pans out the way i think he will.
    4 - Granlund --- Shinkaruk - on its way to 5 status
    4 - Goldobin, '17 4th* --- Hansen
    4 - Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson) - was perceived as a great addition - till The Contract. Separate evaluation.
    4- '16 2nd --- Bieksa
    4/3 - Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson) - My Baertschi love is fading.
    4/3 - Gudbranson, (#140 Candella) --- McCann, (#33 Asplund), (#94 Ang)
    3 - 2nd --- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
    3 - Sutter, (#64 Lockwood) --- Bonino, Clendening, (#55 Gustavsson) - Still think Sutter is a good component for a good team. Lockwood looks like a player
    3 - Futures --- Fox - remember the attempted uproar when this trade was announced? heh
    3 - Etem --- Jensen, '17 6th
    3 - 7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally - next to nothing for something
    3 - Acton --- Lain
    3 - Conacher --- Jeffrey
    3 - Clendening --- Forsling - Benning made a read on Forsling and that Clendening was a better NHLer. 3 now.. 2 if Forsling becomes a NHL regular. 1 if Forsling is good.
    2 - Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff) - tough one to evaluate. 4 at the time, but assets acquired not deemed valuable enough to retain - did well to spin those into better pieces
    2 - Pedan --- Mallet, '16 3rd (came back to us) - hasn't made the jump yet.
    2 - Prust --- Kassian, (#124 Staum). Rollercoaster : 1-when made, 4-when we found out why, 5 - when Kassian hit a tree, 1-Prust's first preseason game, 4-Prust's first 10 gms, -3 - after his injury. Trade that had to be made.
    2/1 - Larsen --- '17 5th
    1 - Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown) - liked the thinking - but nope.


    * Note * All MY opinion. Since its inevitable some panties will bunch up.
     
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    Which one of my 'good' trades do you disagree with?

    4/5 - Dahlen --- Burrows - 5 only cuz Dahlen hasn't played in a Canuck jersey. So YET to fail... yet.
    4 - 3rd (66th - Brisebois) and (#194 McKenzie) --- Lack - liked it at the time - love it if Brisebois pans out the way i think he will.
    4 - Granlund --- Shinkaruk - on its way to 5 status
    4 - Goldobin, '17 4th* --- Hansen
    4 - Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson) - was perceived as a great addition - till The Contract. Separate evaluation.
    4- '16 2nd --- Bieksa
     
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    Yeah, as I said I was looking at all of these with the benefit of hindsight. Essentially, knowing what we know now, would I do the trade again. I guess I don't see door number 2 in the Kesler thing. Benning was pretty much back into a corner and got as much as he could get from Anaheim. It's a matter of opinion, I guess, whether or not he could have gotten more. So, I'm not giving him a 1 because he actually got some assets. But I'm not giving him higher than a two because some of those assets (Sbisa) appeared to be valued too highly at the time given the benefit of hindsight. i.e. still a bad trade but not a terrible trade.
    On the Lack deal, two things factor in. First, Lack is essentially a back-up goalie. He had a brief run in Vancouver where he looked like he could potentially be a #1 but it didn't last after the trade for whatever reason. And, second, I think Brisebois is a decent prospect. Again, knowing what we know now, would I make the trade again. Yes. This moves it into the 4 category.
    I appreciate your point that Benning could potentially gotten more in both cases. That didn't factor in my assessment.
     
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    I originally has written "meh" for 3.
     
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    The fact that people rank the Gudbranson trade as a good trade, or anything but an awful trade, is shocking.
     
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    Lack's brief run of good goaltending is longer significantly than his long bad run...

    The Kesler trade we may have been backed into a corner, but we chose Bonino who would have been worth a lot to Ana instead of going a different route. I would argue being backed into a corner too, but whatever I will let that slide.

    You really could have this look for most of his trades.
     
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    My rankings, based on the following scale:

    1 - terrible trade
    2 - not good
    3 - meh
    4 - good trade
    5 - great trade


    -2014-15-----------
    1 Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
    2 Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
    3 2nd --- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
    1 Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
    3 Acton --- Lain
    2 Pedan --- Mallet, '16 3rd (came back to us)
    1 Clendening --- Forsling
    3 Conacher --- Jeffrey
    3 Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)

    -2015-16-----------
    2 3rd (66th - Brisebois) and (#194 McKenzie) --- Lack
    3 7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
    1 Prust --- Kassian, (#124 Staum)
    4 '16 2nd --- Bieksa
    1 Sutter, (#64 Lockwood) --- Bonino, Clendening, (#55 Gustavsson)
    3 Etem --- Jensen, '17 6th
    2 Granlund --- Shinkaruk
    2 Larsen --- '17 5th
    3 Futures --- Fox

    -2016-17----------

    1 Gudbranson, (#140 Candella) --- McCann, (#33 Asplund), (#94 Ang)
    5 Dahlen --- Burrows
    3 Goldobin, '17 4th* --- Hansen[/QUOTE]
     
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    Watching the Pens in these playoffs, you have to scratch your head at what's happened to a guy like Derek Poulliot.....high first-rounder and big-time scorer in the WHL, but an RFA this year and spent more time in the minors than the NHL...what happened to him?

    Could be be a target for Jimbo?.....there's the Portland connection with Travis Green....would he be worth a gamble for the Canucks, or is he a bust?
     
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    Should be Vegas bound. Altho the pens now seem to have a handful of very desirable young forwards (if eligible). So much focus as been on the Pens' goalies for the expansion draft... but they are lining up to lose a good skater if (I predict when) Vegas passes on their goalie option.
     
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    Why would Vegas pass on an elite goalie?

    I would be happy trading Gudbranson for Pouliot.
     
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    It was a rollercoaster but it never got close to a 4 for me.
     
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    So to summarize this entire thread preemptively:

    Out: draft picks, good hockey players.

    In: bad hockey players.
     
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    It's not good or awful....yet.
     
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    Most of these trades are of the 'meh' variety.....I have less issue with the deals than the Canucks obsession with re-signing some of these guys to ridiculous contracts....get ready, Gudbranson is next....and what also stands out is the penchant for coughing up draft picks for mediocre talent, most of whom aren't even on the roster anymore.
     
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    Y2koilers is bang on, on this one. The trade looks to be not only bad, but in retrospect horrid. The Canucks could have just picked up a Kris Russell for free, kept McCann and their pick. Gudbranson really does not seem to be good at anything. Oilers called this one right. Good job, Oilers. You da man (I think....you never answered me on that).
     
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    The bait has been set. Now let's see if TheWolf gets a bite.
     
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    I'd bump up the Kassian trade to 3 - he really was a dead asset at the time and his tenure in Montreal proved it. Otherwise those ratings are pretty accurate. Trades like Vey and Clendening are prime examples of Jimbo pissing away valuable piece for absolutely nothing, under pressure by ownership to try to accelerate a rebuild, and reflects very poorly on his record.
     
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    We paid to get rid of him... then after the "incident" Montreal got an asset they needed. Montreal basically got 2 5th rounders' to help them out of the cap issues.
     
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    This.

    Paying to get rid of a player like Kassian was so incredibly stupid it's hard to put into words. Only an idiot like Jim Benning would sign off on that.
     

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