Proposal: MTL - EDM ( yeah, another one!)

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  1. HOPE

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    Pacioretty + shaw 25% retain ( he can play LW, C, RW)

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    Lucic full cap + 10th


    Montreal has the cap space to take on lucic contract and put him in a middle 6 role and play under claude, they get a top 10 pick as a compensation!

    Edmonton stays gritty and more polyvalent and add scoring!
     
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    Max Pacioretty is a RENTAL. The Oilers don't have the cap space to absorb his next contract. Shaw just adds even more money, even with the retention.
     
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    Big time pass by Montreal. Lucic’s contract is brutal.
     
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    That is beyond terrible for the Habs, absolutely brutal! Lucic and the 10th overall for Pick#62 in the 2nd rnd would be about right.
     
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    what is this terrible trade from mtl pov ? people are debating to see if oilers will GIVE more to even trade Lucic and you add Pacioretty + shaw at almost nothing... hard pass
     
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    Assuming Pacioretty at the draft is worth
    Mid first + b prospect + late pick (say a 5th)
    And Andrew Shaw at just over 3 mil is a positive asset ( let's say a 2nd and a 3rd).

    And also assuming Lucic is worth negative mid first rounder

    And the 10 is an early first rounder the habs are trading.

    2 mid firsts + 2nd + 3rd + 5th + b prospect
    For
    10th overall (borderline early mid first).

    Habs say no.
     
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    Wouldn't do that from Montreal.
    Trading Shaw with 25%retention Vs Lucic is bad. It would basically mean we are giving Shaw at 2.9M for Lucic at 7M... that would need more value added on EDM side. Then we trade Max Pacioretty for the 10th... which is pretty much what he's worth. I would do it without retention on Shaw probably.

    I think that could potentially be a good move for the Oilers if they want to compete. Pacioretty and Shaw would give them a 1st line LW to play with McDavid or Draisaitl. Move RNH to 3rd line center and add Shaw to the third line. It would only add 2.4M to the cap.

    They can roll with something like

    Pacioretty - McDavid - Puuljujarvi
    Aberg - Draisaitl - Strome
    Khaira - RNH - Shaw
    Slepyshev - Caggiula - Rattie

    That first line would be dynamite! I would also understand the need for the Oilers for cost controlled players. Hence why they would refuse that quite easily.
     
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    No from Montréal.
     
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    The thing people are missing here is its a top 10 pick and these don’t come for free... it gets oilers instantly better by adding scoring and keep grit with more speed, but montreal eats up lucic contract, Montreal has alot of cap and isn’t competitve and you add 2 top 10 ELC talent to the team who will only increase their salary when lucic contract is done. Lucic can still be useful in a top 9 role, who cares about his salary if we ain’t gonna use it, i’d rather make a trade like this and be competitive in the future than give a contract to a guy lik stasny and keep being mediocre.
     
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    Lucic plus 10th OA for a rental and Shaw...yikes.
     
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    you do understand that most analysts ( outside Edmonton ) are saying the oilers will GIVE lucic+2rd pick for him ALONE, right ?
     
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    Dazed and Confused Ludicrous speed, GO!

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    Ehh I'd pass. With RNH on the wing Pacioretty isn't as big a need. Plus while dumping Lucic would be nice, adding someone to be your 4th best LH forward (So he's not going to see significant PP time), but will still likely ask for +7mil going into his next contract seems like a bad idea.

    If the Oil do deal Lucic, I'd expect to see another overpaid contract coming back, so the Oil aren't having to "pay someone to take him", and it to be for someone that can excel better in the defensive parts of the game.

    Think Backes, Eriksson, Ladd, Dubinsky, Hanzal, J. Staal, Sutter, Nielsen, Berglund, ect.
     
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    I would take the 6M of Jordan Stall anyday over Lucic contract. I don'T think stall is overpaid at 6M and for his role.
     
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    Dazed and Confused Ludicrous speed, GO!

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    Staal's the extreme high end there, and yes it would take more Lucic to land him, but it's the kind of player I'd move Lucic for. High priced, defensive middle 6'er.
     
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    Hopkins-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Pacioretty-Drai-Yamma
    Khaira-Strome-Shaw
    Caggiula-?-Kassian
    (Slepyshev left for Europe)

    That's much more realistic if the cap goes up more than we're expecting.
     
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    Lets see the links to back this up then
     
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    Ya a good #2c on most team, comparable to stastny and what he will get this summer, which is probably around 6-7M
     
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    Andrew Shaw with that retention has value and Pacioretty alone is worth 15ish overall + an okay prospect/2nd rounder. Habs take on one of the worst contracts in the league for this? That's brutal
     
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    Dazed and Confused Ludicrous speed, GO!

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    If the Oil were to go after Pacioretty, I'd expect the most they'd offer would be something based around Strome.

    Other teams could be that offer, but I think that's all the Oil would spend on a luxury like Max.
     
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    Also, don't forget. Pac will be signed with Mtl and trade after, AND Pac is really fast I know it doesn't look like it but with Mcjesus/yamaha/Pac it would be a freaking fast line, prob the fastest in the league.
     
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    Well if they are losing the $6M cap his from Lucic, that argument becomes a little weaker. That being said, as a Habs fan I would not want Lucic in Montreal with his contract anyways.
     
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    So the Hawks traded a player 4 years after they drafted him(hardly a "top" prospect and Bickell who hadn't put up more than 28 points in 4 years of his contract
    Florida signed Bolland for 5 years(5.5 per) and he put up 28 points in two freakin seasons.

    Not nearly identical situations. The Oilers won't be as desperate to move a younger/healthier player who had a bad half of ONE season.

    Still waiting for "most analysts". You're local hack is no different than Edmontons
     
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    I mean I can't quote you the Radio station show lmao. go listen to the show they did yesterday at 5pm eastern time : 91.9 Sports : Jean-Charles en liberté

    -p.s it's one of the biggest sport station in North America, calm down with you "hack".

    3 of the analysts talked about it. JC thought 10th OV is not ENOUGH PAID for Lucic. IMO it's too much but I agree with them, the oilers will need to give a package to even trade Lucic. OR Lucic needs to lose 20 lbs and work his speed 20 hours a week, which won't happen because he wants out of Canada crazy media
     
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    So Lucic himself admitted that he wanted to trim down (lose muscle, not fat, the guy is lean) this summer specifically to work on his speed, and you think he isn't going to do it now just to spite the team he is on? Riiiight. I can't see a guy who already knows what he has to do just sitting back and saying, "I haven't been traded yet so I'm not getting into the shape I said I will and know I need to".

    I'm not sure if you are suggesting that it would take the 10th overall to move Lucic at all, as that seems ridiculous to me. Every team in the league with the cap space to do it would take Lucic and 10 if that offer was on the table, its a middle six winger making 4.5 million per year after July 1 (6 million hit) and a free top 10 pick in a good draft.

    That said, if you're talking about an actual trade, I could see 10 OV and Lucic for Pacioretty+ (or Pacioretty knowing that he will extend with Edmonton at a fair rate).

    Looch and 10 for Shaw and crap is just that - crap. Edmonton is getting a worse player at basically the same actual money (but a lower hit) and all it costs us is a 10 OV pick? Gross.
     
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