Discussion in 'Edmonton Oilers' started by Bryanbryoil, May 12, 2018.
Eh, depending on who is available at 10, I'd bite if it means not getting pantsed in another deal.
Lucic AND Puljujarvi for Faulk is absolutely horrendous.
2.1, 2.5, 3, 3, 3.2 Hits per game last five years in Boston. Not in order
2016-17 In Edmonton 2.5
2017-18 In Edmonton 3.1
Not a lot has changed in his game. This is how Lucic has been for years. Again people's expectations just aren't realistic. The only thing that has gotten worse with Lucic is he is getting older and for some reason his hands disappeared the second half of last year. Otherwise he's pretty much the same Lucic I've watch going back to his Boston days. He never was a big figher either. First two years he had 10 and 13, but after that he has been 4-7 fights a year for 9 years.
People see the highlights of Lucic and think that is the player you get 82 games a year.
Hahaha okie. He has been one of the most hated on players the last three years. Last year he had a good season, no reason to hate on him now. But you seem to totally ignore the actual play of players like Nurse and Nuge and go straight hate mode in the offseason. They made you look stupid last year for all the hate ad doubt you dished on them. Now that there's no games being played you jumped right back on the wagon. Give it a rest bud.
I'm very confident that if the Oilers traded for Faulk, by the spring of 19/20 this city would be flooding Stauffer's inbox with Schultz-esque "I don't care what the return is, just get him out of here!" trade proposals. He's a point shot and not much else...AT BEST a smaller, butter-soft version of Souray.
I really hope Dreger is just throwing crap against a wall to stir up some conversation, because I would absolutely hate that deal.
I agree. Faulk would get eaten alive in Edmonton. TBH I dont know if Oilers fan can handle a skill D because once he makes one bad defensive play, its over. Faulk has a penchant for making numerous of them. Faulk is like the opposite version of Kris Russell (one trick pony offensively, bad defensively), so I think the hate I have for Russell will be mirrored by fans hate for Faulk if we got him
JP for Faulk is a no go for me. Faulk is to limited of a D. Lucic + JP for Faulk tho, I could get behind
Would only do this if the Oilers also sign Tavares
To be honest, this team's history with soft, skilled American dmen from the NCAA ranks has almost never ended well. Ultimately they all get hated on, justly or no.
Actually, Lucic and Puljujarvi is less valuable than Puljujarvi straight up so I don't think anybody but Oiler fans would think this is horrendous.
Pulju for Faulk straight up is pretty fair although I could see why some Oiler fans would be against it, adding Lucic tips it in favor of the Oilers IMO. Lucic is negative value so adding Lucic to any trade lowers the value of the Oilers package.
I'll take my chances Looch recovers and Puljujarvi takes a step rather then deplete our winger depth even worse
for a PP specialist defenseman no less
Faulk last 5 years:
ES RelT GF%
He's consistently made his team worse when he's on the ice at evens.
Those stats are actually remarkably consistent as well. Most players are more up and down than that from year to year... so a small positive is that at least you know what you are getting from him. A dman who will very likely make your team worse at evens... and a player that will help you on the PP.
If he was essentially buried on the 3rd pairing and then given all the PP time you can feed him... he might not be too much of a net negative overall... but he wouldn't be worth the cost that some are throwing around here.
One interesting concept would actually be for the Oilers to go with 11 forwards and 7 dmen in more games if they did get a player like Faulk.
The Oilers would then be able to shelter Faulk more and use him almost exclusively on the PP (he actually has been decent/average on the PK as well in his career with limited minutes).
The Oilers really don't have 12 good forwards anyway... so you aren't losing much by having 1 less forward in the lineup.
Kinda how I see it as well.
Funny to see people so upset about this rumour when all I've ever been told is that wingers are the least important piece and the easiest to acquire.
What's even funnier is how last summer these same people would have driven Eberle to the airport if we could get Faulk for him.
Tavares to the Oilers would be really weird, I cant see it happening. We already have two highly paid centers (3 if you count RNH at 6 mil). Tavares at 9-10 mil is an overkill. You could be spending nearly half the cap on centers. I wouldnt make any run at any of the top 5 UFAs, but if I had to itd be Carlson
This. I think maybe Oiler fans dont see how much of a negative value Lucic is. Realistically I think itd take the ~20th-30th overall pick (or similar value) to be able to move him. The deal is in Edmontons favour at that point
Even funnier that some now loathe the idea of dealing Lucic because his production would be irreplaceable and McDavid will probably be carted off a stretcher in Game 1 while a month ago, they loathed the idea of Lucic being on the team in any capacity saying that he sucks the life out of every line he's on and doesn't protect his teammates letting Khaira etc. do all the fighting.
Faulk is around the value of Eberle. Both are one dimensional skilled players with flaws. This just drives home how bad the Strome trade was as you would get laughed out of the building if you proposed Strome for Faulk today
Well i don't think we need to add a defensemen, we need wingers.. So i don't like the Faulk talk for those reasons.
I'd much rather go after a guy like Mike Green or Chris Wideman and see how Klefbom rebounds and Bear develops this year.
Now getting Karlsson/Carlsson is a different story
I doubt you'd get Faulk for Eberle even now. RHD like him are always valuable regardless of the flaws, 2 affordable years left on his contract and him still being fairly young aids his value too IMO.
Teams could just sign an Eberle like player (Vanek) but players like Faulk you won't find as easily. Well, I guess Green would qualify but he'd be pricier than Vanek. Unfortunately, the Oilers have a need for both.
I can assure you that Ottawa will likely move on from both parties before that happens. There's very little benefit to them seeing this out publicly. Like I said, it's still likely worth the risk considering the player attached.
I love how people here are calling Lucic a 'useless player'. Seriously? He's not useless. You want useless? Go get Clarkson, or Nikitin, or Loui Eriksson, or Andrew Ladd. Those guys are useless compared to Lucic. And then there's the cap per point issue:
Cost Per Point - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
FFS, players doing WORSE than him and have a WORSE contract:
And yet Lucic is a 'useless' player. Love HF for the delusional people who forget about the others who are a LOT worse than Lucic. Just because we don't have as much of a use for him and he doesn't fit into the teams dynamic offense, doesn't make him 'useless'.
I never really liked Faulk. ES is 80% of the game and he's a net negative at that aspect of the game.
I would certainly take Eberle over Faulk.
Eklund back on the Karlsson for RNH+ train....dream is dead I guess.
The price has come down on EK after the mess that's come out this week. But Ottawa is still probably asking for the moon--e.g., RNH, 10 OV, Pulju/Yamamoto. Obviously not worth it, especially with the rumors that Quinn Hughes could fall within the Oilers' range.
Edit: Also, I agree with others who predict that LV ends up trading for him. They almost got him this year, so they're after him. Plus they're going to want to make sure their organization doesn't lose momentum from this year, given that their run has all the markings of a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. Their plan is probably not so much to make incremental improvements as it is to not fall off the damn cliff.
Well if Ottawa is interested, how would you build it exactly?
To OTT: Nuge, Puljujarvi, Klefbom, Benning and 10th overall.
To EDM: Karlsson, Duchene and Burrows