Prospect Info: Olli Juolevi

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  1. lawrence

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    tbh the yahoo [MOD] was not actually aimed at Juolevi haters, or any specific group of Canuck fans (benning haters) is more of the general Canuck fans.
     
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    I could see that then. I do think the general fans are usually yay Canucks, go #_, or something similar
     
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    Lol. Canucks hockey. Bunch of bandaids and guys that suck after drafting them.
     
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    O man this sucks sounds like could be pretty bad too what a pile a crap luck that is for him and our team. Guess next season is ANOTHER right off for him :shakehead
     
  5. lawrence

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    according to Benning he will be training in 4-6 weeks,
     
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    Actual ready to play in games is more like 10 weeks. Basically, by the time Juolevi is healed and able to train hard he wouldn’t have much time left before camp and that’s assuming he goes straight to the main camp.
     
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    Ainec Jim Benning is a meme

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    ffs big month for fortnite coming up

    this is bad timing




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    Edler had it too.

     
  9. Ronning On Empty

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    So every person critical of Juolevi was also critical of Petterson? What a complete disregard for the nuance of opinion pre-draft. Stereotypes on top of attacking a sub-set of the fans. As if someone could not like the Pettersson pick from the outset, while also dislike the Juolevi pick from the outset? As if one has to like every pick this regime makes?
     
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    Just tribalism. I don't even bother responding to this at this point. Suggest everyone tries to ignore this type of talk and just talk hockey.
     
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    It’s more like this.

    In 2016 majority of the Canucks fans slammed the pick. The same happened in 2017 it’s what I’m trying to say. There is a strong feeling in this particular board that whatever pick he makes is already criticized from the very beginning. Whatever trade he makes he gets flack for. I do not take any of my words back, now did what I say was somewhat exaggerated? I will admit it was a tiny,If Peterson didn’t have the same season he had, he would have probably gotten the Juolevi treatment by his very own fan base since everyone wanted mittleststsft glass or vilardi despite my warning from way back in February of 2017.

    Also I didn’t say very person that didn’t like the juolevi pick automatically hated the Peterson pick.
     
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    Im sorry you feel that way.
     
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    So to sum up...Canuck fans would have given Petterson/Petterson pick a hard time if he was clearly not the best player to take when they took him and he struggled in his development for the first 1+ years post draft?

    Well no ****.
     
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    Olli needs one of these for his marathon fortnite sessions:

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Bobby Digital

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    From what I remember most of us were good with the Petersen pick. It was just a vocal minority who didn't like it.
     
  16. Literally

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    I seem to recall the majority were ok with 'one of the most skilled players in the draft'.

    The knee jerk reaction initial reaction to passing on a couple of more known North American prospects was fairly quickly subdued after reading up on the kid and his scouting reports.
    When people caught up on the those and the quotes like the following:

    Canuck Army : June 15, 2017 : "one of the most skilled players in this draft and is a virtual lock as a top six NHL centre in the future"
    Draft Analysis : May 1, 2017: "There’s a uniqueness about him, and his puck handling abilities are buttery smooth. As lanky as he looks, Petterson is a bonafide assassin who absorbs hits while controlling the puck with his head up."

    And many more : elias pettersson draft profile - Google Search
    Just look at the pre-draft ones only.

    The mood was positive around the pick as I remember.
     
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    Also having a preference for a different player doesn’t mean you get the pick. I prefered the bigger vilardi but that doesn’t mean I hated the Peterson pick and wanted him to fail. You can have players be in the same tier and have a preference.


    If you want to tie it back to the OJ draft Tkachuk was clearly in a higher tier than OJ hence why people hatedthe pick
     
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    You do know you can edit your posts???
     
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    Yeah.. pretty much just like that.

    Hyperbole is the crux of the toxicity of any message board.

    You say : "I think that toxicity has a lot more to do with baseless, disingenuous, and presumptuous narrative-spinning as a result of disagreement than it does with hyperbole."

    I would then ask you how you produce a baseless, disingenuous, and presumptuous narrative-spinning post that produces toxicity without hyperbole?

    Hyperbole is describing it at it's simplest form.

    Hyperbole is what gets reactions and gets people swinging to the far opposite direction to counter argue.. often with their own counter-hyperbole. It's what leads to the extremist tribalism here that makes it toxic.

    Hyperbbole completely takes away from what may of been a legitimate initial point 99% of the time and results in a **** show instead of a legit discussion.

    'The trash/garbage player' example I gave is just a simple example of that attitude I don't respect.

    You don't agree.. so we'll agree to disagree.
     
  20. PuckMunchkin

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    I disagree entirely. Hyperbole can muddy the waters when debating or discussing issues but I don't see why it would be a source of toxicity. It's just a poor tactic in debates that lessens the point you are trying to make.

    What I find far more toxic is not giving the benefit of the doubt to the person you are debating or discussing the matter with.

    Straw man arguments instead of actually trying to understand the best version of the other persons views.

    Pretending to know what the other person actually thinks instead of taking his word.

    Ad hominem attacks where you try to brand the person as someone whose opinion doesn't matter.
     
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    So there's this guy that the Canucks drafted - Juolevi.:sarcasm:
     
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    Where? I don't see no Juolevi here.
     
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    What are you 'entirely disagreeing' with?
    Ad hominem attacks you describe, and straw man arguments are forms of hyperbole as well..
     
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    That "Hyperbole is the crux of the toxicity of any message board."
     
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    I'm not sure which is most irksome:

    (1) the injury itself;

    (2) the increased likelihood of trading a top-10 draft pick for immediate help on defense; or

    (3) the inevitability that, for a select group, all fact-based projections will fly out the window and Juolevi's ceiling will now be seen as having been limitless if not for an unexpected injury.
     
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