Proposal: Vancouver Canucks-Montreal Canadiens

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  1. Hindustan Smyl

    Hindustan Smyl 2020/2021 = Canucks being a contender

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    Vancouver Canucks-Montreal Canadiens

    Here’s my thought, and I might be wrong:

    1) Montreal wants to draft Kotkaniemi since he fills a huge organizational need (Center). However - Kotkaniemi is a guy that can easily be had at number 7.

    2) I suspect that Benning likes Hughes, but may not be entirely sold on Dobson/Bouchard/Boqvist. Hence - Benning being open to trading the #7 pick. Benning either isn’t sold at what’s available at number 7, or is simply keeping his options open to see what possibilities are out there. My personal thought is as follows:

    Hughes > Hanifin > Dobson > Boqvist/Bouchard. Perhaps Benning feels similarly.

    Vancouver has made inquiries on Noah Hanifin and Ryan O’Reilly, but the price tag is quite high.

    I was curious to see as to what it would take on Vancouver’s end if they wanted to move up from 7 to 3? Would the required upgrade package be similar to that of what they’d have to give up for Hanifin or O’Reilly? What would be a fair deal?

    By the way - I would take Hughes at the #3 spot unless for whatever reason, Svechnikov was available. I’m not sold on Zadina and believe that his developmental path will be similar to that of Jesse Puljiujarvi (possible late bloomer but those selected directly before and after Zadina will have more successful careers and faster starts).
     
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  2. Cquant

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    Moving from 7 to 3 will require a decent asset at the very least. A 3rd won't cut it, it'd be a second or a second-valued prospect (at least).
    At this stage of the rebuild, I'm not sure it makes enough sense to lose something like that for the player of choice. That tier of 4-10 isn't quite as interchangeable but I don't think it is smart for the Canucks to waste an asset for the choice of prospect in that tier. And I'm not sold on Zadina, which would be what the Canadiens would be selling essentially.

    Vancouver needs to either stay put or trade down for more assets. It's a rebuild. Just be patient. I like Hughes a lot too, but there are enough great guys to choose from and each of them brings an element that is missing in the prospect pool.
     
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    3rd overall (Zadina / Hughes)
    Andrew Shaw
    Mike Rielly
    Jacob DeLaRose

    for

    7th overall (Kotkaniemi / Dobson)
    Brandon Sutter
    Ben Hutton
    Markus Granlund
     
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    Habs option to flip 1sts with Vancouver in 2019 or 2020 (unprotected)

    If we don't exercise either Nucks add 2020 2nd
     
  5. Hindustan Smyl

    Hindustan Smyl 2020/2021 = Canucks being a contender

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    Hmmmm........

    In response to the two posts above mine, is that all it would take to move from 7 to 3? That’s not bad actually. I figured Montreal would want more.
     
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    A 2nd round pick is not enough to move from 7 to 3.

    7OA + Gaudette/Lind for 3OA might do it.
     
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    Montreal fans would totally notice something like that.
     
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    There is potential there because Montreal is torn between Kotkaniemi and Zadina. So, it may not take much to entice them
     
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    I am finding it a little hard to believe that Montreal would trade that pick even if they only are moving down 4 spots. The need every position. Even Price's replacement needs to be drafted soon. Goaltenders usually take years to develop. Their #1 D is 32 soon to be 33, they are going to need to fill that spot too. Obviously they need centers too and they are supposedly trying to trade Pacioretty so they need every position and the prospects that they have leave something to be desired.

    I think they need to draft the best player available for a couple of years with their top picks and they can try to draft certain positions with 2nd round and later picks.

    Stranger things have happened though.
     
  10. Hindustan Smyl

    Hindustan Smyl 2020/2021 = Canucks being a contender

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    I’d be willing to do 7OA + Lind if Benning and team really feel comfortable that Hughes will develop into a Werenski/Provorov calibre dman.

    I’m actually a little stunned that moving up from 7 to 3 wouldn’t require that much (relative to what the Canucks would have to give up for Hanifin or O’Reilly).
     
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    We have realy good depth in net... lindgren, mcniven, primeau
     
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    Juste give us your 2019 1rd for the switch between #3 and #7 and keep your 2019 protected for the top 3
     
  13. Fault and Fracture

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    Well that's just a whole lot of junk changing scenery. No incentive for Montreal to do that.
     
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    I wan't suggesting they use a high pick on a goaltender anyway, but if they have that covered then great. They still need to pick the best player available in the first round unless it is a goaltender. I just find it hard to imagine them moving this pick, it is not something that happens every year even if it seems like when the Oilers or the Penguins had their runs at the bottom of the standings. Most of the time a team gets a couple of cracks at a high pick and then they are moving onward and upward. How far they go usually has a lot to do with how well they have drafted and developed players.
     
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    Hanifin doesn't hold the value of a 3OA. O'Reilly is probably close to it though.
     
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    Hell no from the Habs point of view. This makes them a much worse team....ouch.
     
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    As mentioned above, a 2nd round pick isn't enough to justify dropping from the top 3. A 2nd + A/B+ prospect would most likely make Mtl flinch.

    I'd personally consider this move:

    MTL:
    7OA
    37OA
    Dahlén, Jonathan

    VAN:
    3OA
    97OA

    I think that the "incentive" value would be there, but I'm not sure MTL management would necessarily go for it unless they believe that one of their guys (Kotkaniemi, Dobson, or Bouchard).

    Also not sure Vancouver should go for that move unless they are sold on the guy they'd select at 3 such that it'd be for sure better than the 3 other pieces.
     
  18. Shanejones

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    The same can be said to what Van would receive in that deal, all junk
     
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    No chance in hell we do that. Dahlen is an important piece moving forward- as EP is either a C/RW and Dahlen is a C/LW- both have played together before too.
     
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    why complicate things?

    From what I understand you believe that the Canucks want Hughes over anyone but are scared Hughes won't be there at 7, Meanwhile Montreal is torn between Kotkaniemi and Zadina.

    Just have an agreement in place that Montreal drafts Hughes with number 3. If they do that, Kotkaniemi is guaranteed to be available at 7, since Zadina still has to be picked from 4-6 (he's not going to fall to 8)

    Just have the Canucks draft Kotkaniemi at 7, and trade the players, not the picks with like a 2nd and a 4th next year for Montreal's troubles or something

    Trading the picks are risky for Montreal still, since between 4-6 Kotkaniemi, however unlikely, can still be drafted at which point Montreal just dropped down 4 spots for nothing since they didn't even get the guy they wanted. Yes, they would have Hughes, but not an immediate need.
     
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    1st(3)
    2nd(39/CHI)
    Karl Alzner
    Jacob De La Rose(RFA)

    1st(7)
    Ben Hutton
    Alex Edler
    Jonah Gadjovich or another decent prospect.
     
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  22. Shanejones

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    As a nucks fan, no thanks
     
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    Like I said, I think neither team should realistically go for it. But in terms of pure "value", that's what it would take.
     
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    Eh.. i don't immediately hate it, but Vancouver shouldn't be trading away prospects at this point, and if we're trading away roster spots we want picks and prospects in return.

    Take out Karl Alzner, throw in your other 2nd rounder and take out Jonah for like a Petrus Palmu and i like it more from Vancouver's side

    To Vancouver: 3rd OV / 2 2nd rounders
    To Montreal: 7th OV/ Edler/ Hutton / Palmu
     
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    Yeah that's fair. Personally I don't really want to move the pick- I'd rather just hope Bouchard or Dobson are there- and if both are gone we still have our choice of Hughes, Tkachuk and Wahlstrom.
     

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